Edwards goes on air in Iowa: Compromise is concession on Iraq

John Edwards' first TV ad hit the air in Iowa today, on broadcast and cable channels. It features Iowans calling on Congress to stand up to Bush's veto of the Iraq war funding bill.

   

"The American people have given Congress a mission to end the war -- but that mission hasn't been accomplished yet," Edwards said in a statement announcing the ad.

Edwards said in a conference call with Iowa reporters that "compromise is concession" on this issue. He said the American people sent a mandate to Congress to end the war in the November election, and now Congress must "stand its ground."

 

"This is a time for political courage, not political calculation. Congress needs to hear the message of Iowans and use its power to bring this war to an end," Edwards said.

   He is encouraging other Iowans to submit their own video messages through YouTube and will release an expanded version of the Iowa ad online.

The ad can be viewed here.

Cross-posted at Daily Kos



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Re: Strategy or Pander? (3.00 / 4)

I am probably going to get sandblasted for saying this,  but I have very mixed feelings about Edwards' position on the Iraq Supplemental.  It is pretty darn easy to set on the sidelines and take a position that you know is popular with Democrats primary voters, but that has no chance of succeeding in Congress.

"Send him the same bill again and again," is a great slogan, but it isn't going to happen.  The Senate Dems needed a very reluctant Nelson, and Repubs, Hagel and Smith, to pass the bill that was vetoed.  

I would have more respect for Edwards, if he was articulating some sort of "do-able" strategy.  Instead he is going to feed the common misconception that the Dems just don't have enough backbone.  The truth is, to use one of JE's favorite statements, they don't have enough votes.

OTOH, Obama has kept a pretty low profile, but he has been talking about "the short leash" option for weeks.  In my mind, Obama scores points for pushing a do-able strategy that maintains some sort of pressure on Bush and that helps the Dems save some face.  If this is an example of the difference between "the pragmatist" and "the progressive ideologue," I say score one for the pragmatist.

I am sure many will disagree.  I am interested to hear other people's take on this situation.


by upper left on Tue May 08, 2007 at 09:41:04 PM EST

I wouldn't describe... (3.00 / 4)

...running for president as sitting on the sidelines.


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by MeanBoneII on Tue May 08, 2007 at 10:00:00 PM EST
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Re: I wouldn't describe... (none / 0)

He is not in the Senate.  Reid has been none to pleased with Edwards position.


by upper left on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:12:26 AM EST
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Re: I wouldn't describe... (3.00 / 1)

Uh, you know this how?   Look, take away the vote count politics for a minute and the underlying position between Reid and Edwards is not at odds.

So even though it makes the vote counting a little tricky for Harry, doesn't it ultimately help his position to have a left flank organizing - especially when the majority of the American people and the Democratic party support that "flank" position.

I have been in a lot of legislative fights and obviously had to settle for less than I want some times, and negotiated some deals at the very end.

But having a strong clear bottom line, fighting for that bottom line in a principled way to the end, and keeping up the fight right until you do the deal, are all part of the process and lead to a better result for your bottom line.

Negotiating with yourself does not. (although it has become pretty popular on this site of late)


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by Orlando on Wed May 09, 2007 at 12:39:53 PM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (3.00 / 4)

It's pretty simple. The president needs funds to continue the war, and Congress has to approve all funds by a simple majority vote. Edwards is calling on Congress to hold firm on a bill that funds the withdrawal. That's a do-able strategy.


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by clarkent on Tue May 08, 2007 at 10:11:33 PM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

The Dems were only able to pass the first bill with the help of two Repubs.  Those two have not indicated a willingness to persue Edwards proposed strategy.

That means the Dems don't have the votes to go done the road Edwards is proposing, so what is your backup strategy?


by upper left on Wed May 09, 2007 at 10:24:16 AM EST
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The strategy couldn't be more simple. (3.00 / 1)

The Democrats are the ones who decide what bills get voted on.

If anyone wants to vote against a bill that A) funds the troops and B) requires that troop withdrawal begins -- if they prefer to give this president the money to continue this war indefinitely -- they are certainly free to do so.

And the American people are free to throw them out of office at the next opportunity.


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by MeanBoneII on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:17:14 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (3.00 / 4)

If the Dems cave with a majority in Congress and public opinion in their favor, they do not in fact have any backbone.


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by clarkent on Tue May 08, 2007 at 10:12:45 PM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

You are not addressing my central point:

The Dems problem is not a lack of backbone, it is a lack of votes.

Given this reality, what do you and Edwards propose?


by upper left on Wed May 09, 2007 at 10:27:56 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

The Democrats have the votes to pursue this strategy - they've already demonstrated it.


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by clarkent on Wed May 09, 2007 at 10:51:48 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

Hagel and Smith have not indicated a willingness to go further.  They do not support further confrontation.


by upper left on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:09:34 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

Being an Oregonian, I'd like to say fuck Gordon Smith.  We'll just replace him if he resists.


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by jallen on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:11:53 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

I am an Oregonian too.  I hope we can replace Smith but that doesn't alter the reality that the Dems need his vote now to try to stop the war.

I am trying to get you folks to deal with reality.


by upper left on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:14:41 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

And the reality is that we can't get any effective vote now, we'll have to wait until after the election, so it's good to get everyone on the record for where they stand, and keep the issue up front and center as much as we can, by continuing to push more and more bills, even if we can't win.


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by jallen on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:16:33 AM EST
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Oh, thank you for sharing 'reality' with us. (3.00 / 1)

The reality is that Bush will continue down this course until his war funding is cut off, or until January 2009 -- ALMOST TWO MORE YEARS.

The Democrats are the ones who decide what gets voted on. If anyone in Congress wants to vote against a bill that funds the troops and requires that troop withdrawal begins, they need to be given the opportunity to do so. That's important information for their constituents to have the next time they're up for election.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:21:52 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (2.33 / 3)

Yes, I've noticed that you seem to think you're here to make us dirty, fucking hippies "deal with reality."


by Quinton on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:42:11 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

Excuse me, what is your problem?  My point is that sloganeering is not going to stop young people coming home in a box.  

We need an effective strategy in Congress given the limitation of the number of votes we currently have. Yelling at the Dems doesn't seem like an effective strategy.

I didn't call anyone names, what is your point?


by upper left on Thu May 10, 2007 at 11:24:32 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

I didn't say it, but it's what you mean to say. It's been explained what Edwards' tactic is and why it's perfectly reasonable.


by Quinton on Thu May 10, 2007 at 05:26:35 PM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

I do not find proposing something that will not work to be perfectly reasonable.


by upper left on Thu May 10, 2007 at 09:28:27 PM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

They didn't indicate a willingness to go further in the first place.


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by clarkent on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:22:06 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (1.00 / 1)

As opposed to Edwards' unilateral surrender of his Senate seat to Richard Burr? Coincident with a leftward sprint?

(P.S. running for VP makes you more, not less safe as an incumbent. Unlimited $$.)

(P.P.S. Have Edwards supporters even thought about what "send the same bill back again and again" means? It would mean that in June, the well would run dry, and Bush would shut down non-Pentagon branches of government to continue the fighting. Hello Gingrich-Medicare-1995, Democratic edition.)


by jforshaw on Wed May 09, 2007 at 10:49:08 AM EST
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Oh please, let the Republicans DEFEND THAT (3.00 / 1)

Yes, please let Bush and the Republicans shut down the Social Security Administration in order to continue with their bloody debacle in Iraq.

You really think they're that stupid? Jesus, we'd have the White House and a filibuster-proof majority in 2009.


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by MeanBoneII on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:25:36 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (3.00 / 2)

The difference between now and 1995 is that Republicans were trying to cut Medicare, a very popular program, whereas now, Democrats are now trying to end a very unpopular war.


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by clarkent on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:29:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Apparently Mr. Feingold is more in (3.00 / 4)

line with Edwards than with some of his Senate colleagues.  But then, he's always had my vote should he ever choose to run for national office.


by edgery on Tue May 08, 2007 at 10:41:36 PM EST
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Re: Apparently Mr. Feingold is more in (none / 0)

The problem isn't the progressive Dems it is the conservative Dems and the moderate Rs.

You have to get both Nelsons on board, you have to get Hagel and Smith, you have to get the Blue dogs.  This is the central reality, blaming the Dems makes no sense.


by upper left on Wed May 09, 2007 at 10:34:50 AM EST
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Re: Apparently Mr. Feingold is more in (3.00 / 2)

The last I heard the blue dogs are Democrats.  They need to be brought in line.  Edwards is doing his part to help them see the light - which is that people want the troops out of Iraq now, start doing that.

The Republicans will start to feel the pressure.  They need Democratic votes for money.  I don't see why the Democrats have to give it without conditions.  


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by pioneer111 on Wed May 09, 2007 at 10:51:48 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (3.00 / 4)

A recent poll came out today that said 54% of Americans want the congress to re-submit a bill to Bush with a time table just as Edwards is recommending. I don't think this is bad politics.


by BDM on Tue May 08, 2007 at 11:23:17 PM EST
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It certainly would help if someone would have a (3.00 / 1)

chat with the 7 Bluedogs that voted against it.

Out of 13 democratic votes, Seven were Blue dogs, headed up by TN's Lincoln Davis.

Instead of assuming that it can't be done, why aren't we all contacting these 13 one of which was Dennis Kucinich, 7 of which were Blue dogs.

That would be a start.


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by dk2 on Wed May 09, 2007 at 01:42:02 AM EST
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Re: Senate? (none / 0)

How about the Senate?  Which is an even bigger problem.


by upper left on Wed May 09, 2007 at 10:30:29 AM EST
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Re: Senate? (3.00 / 1)

Sorry, I didn't mean to TR your above post, but I can't view hidden comments so I can't undo it.
But the fact that you don't like the strategy doesn't mean it isn't a strategy.  What the American people want us to do is to stand up to Bush, and that's exactly what Edwards is suggesting.  His strategy is not to find a way to end the war now, because there is simply no way to get the votes to do it.  Obama is the one pandering on the issue, saying he's trying to get 16 more votes- it isn't going to happen, and if he thinks it is, then he is a fool (and I seriously doubt that, so I think he is pandering).  Rather, Edwards strategy is to win big in 2008 by challenging and forcing a fight, which exposes where they are on the issue to voters again and again.
"And so in the place of the palace of privilege, we seek to build a temple out of faith and hope and charity."-FDR
by jallen on Wed May 09, 2007 at 10:53:09 AM EST
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it's a reasonable (3.00 / 2)

assertion that not having to vote on things is easier than being in the senate.  However, Obama's war position was also while not in the senate.

anyway people forget that Edwards was one of only 12 senators to vote against the 87 billion, but forget about it because he did not frame it like Kerry did....  anyhow, that took courage IMHO


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by TarHeel on Wed May 09, 2007 at 08:03:30 AM EST
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Re: Strategy or Pander? (none / 0)

It is a do-able strategy. The passed it once as some democrats fell in line and some republicans caved in and are now representing what the people want. Now you keep on the pressure on the republicans that are wavering and force them to vote to give Bush free reign again and again. The funding is already there through July anyway so there's no rush to provide extra funds. That point has to be made clear time and time again and then it's just a matter of keeping the pressure on the republicans and they will cave and/or force Bush to cave.

They've already let it be known that September is their deadline for Bush. They don't want troops to be in Iraq come the 2008 elections as they know they'll lose in a landslide.


by Quinton on Wed May 09, 2007 at 11:07:49 AM EST
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Good diary - Edwards email reinforces this (3.00 / 4)

One direction leads straight to more war with no end in sight. It's a road paved with symbolic deauthorization bills and so-called temporary extensions that give Bush all the money he needs without ever actually bringing a single troop home.

But in the other direction lies real action--using Congress' funding power right now to pass another binding plan to force George Bush to actually end this war.

snip

The latest news from Washington is that Congress is considering abandoning their binding plan to end the war and instead give Bush another extension--probably until September. This is completely irresponsible. When September rolls around, we'll be right back in the same place and Bush will push for another extension, just like he's been doing for years.

This has to stop now. It's already clear that the escalation has failed. Bush has no authority to use American troops to police a civil war, but that's what he's doing. There is no military solution to the sectarian violence in Iraq.

Enough is enough. It's time to end the war. And that means no more extensions, no more delays, no more non-binding anything.



by okamichan13 on Tue May 08, 2007 at 10:25:46 PM EST

is the TV ad war officially underway ? (none / 0)

wow! I was wondering who would go up first among the big 3, how soon to Hillary and Obama go up? Eignt months of this good grief.


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by nevadadem on Wed May 09, 2007 at 02:25:48 AM EST

Re:Compromise is concession on Iraq (3.00 / 2)

I recall that Harry Reid came out in favor of the Feingold proposal to defund the war. But now he is criticizing Edwards for demanding that Congress stand up to Bush?

The issue here isn't that the Democrats don't have enough votes to override a veto, it is whether the Democrats in Congress have the backbone to stand up united against Bush's war. I think that the Democrats should stand firm and use every opportunity to make it known that Bush is the one not funding the troops. This isn't just PR, it is the truth.


by JustaDem on Wed May 09, 2007 at 02:29:47 PM EST


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