Internal Clinton memo leaks, urges her to skip Iowa

AP has the story over here. Hotline has some reaction right here.

As Hotline says, you never use the word "skip" even when you're planning to "skip" a state. It just sounds terrible and weak. And it makes you wonder who the heck leaked this memo, and why.

Is this already an attempt by the Clinton campaign to lower expectations in Iowa, where she's losing ground and has slipped to third? It is obviously not something you want to be doing if you're in a position of strength -- it gives off a vibe of desperation.

When top Clinton adviser Harold Ickes was confronted with this memo, he tried to knock it down by repeating Tom Vilsack's claim that Clinton will win Iowa, not just do well in Iowa.

That sets the expectations bar awfully high, and lends credence to the statement in the AP story that Clinton's campaign is split over strategy because of her weakness in Iowa.

Does she really believe she's "in to win" or does she need to "bypass" states that she doesn't think she can win? And what kind of message does that send? They don't appear to have that part figured out yet.

UPDATE: Hey, it didn't take the Des Moines Register long, did it?

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don't skip us, Hillary! (none / 0)

Then everyone will be predicting that you'll come in fourth here.

If she does pull back from campaigning in Iowa, the opening for Richardson widens, and probably for Biden and/or Dodd too. There is room for four candidates in the top tier in Iowa.


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by desmoinesdem on Wed May 23, 2007 at 04:40:29 PM EST

Re: Internal Clinton memo leaks, urges her to skip (none / 0)

If she did skip Iowa I think Obama will overtake Edwards and win Iowa.


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by robliberal on Wed May 23, 2007 at 04:48:12 PM EST

Re: Internal Clinton memo leaks, urges her to skip (none / 0)

Was the "second choice" poll for Iowa or a national one?

Clinton 60ish
Obama 40ish
Edwards ??ish

If she does skip Iowa, and this poll I'm refrencing is from an Iowa poll, I would agree with the current strong possibility of your prediction.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Wed May 23, 2007 at 04:52:52 PM EST
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Second choices in Iowa were... (none / 0)

...Obama 25, Edwards 22, Clinton 19.


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by MeanBoneII on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:04:29 PM EST
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Doubtful, since they're roughly even... (3.00 / 1)

...among second choice options, and Edwards' appeal is likely to be broader across the state.

But even if true, that would virtually assure Hillary loses the nomination.


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by MeanBoneII on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:00:38 PM EST
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Re: Doubtful, since they're roughly even... (none / 0)

Many nominees have won without winning Iowa. Clinton has large leads in states after Iowa. It will be the delegate total that will decide the nominee.


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by robliberal on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:13:42 PM EST
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If her strategy is to do poorly in Iowa... (none / 0)

...I'm all in favor of it. Nothing will reinforce the concerns about her ability to win more than losing -- except maybe giving up beforehand.


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by MeanBoneII on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:33:18 PM EST
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Re: Doubtful, since they're roughly even... (none / 0)

Skipping Iowa only works if everyone skips Iowa. I don't think any single candidate has lost Iowa to a candidate without strong regional ties and then gone on to win the nomination since Reagan lost to G.H.W. Bush in 1980.


by adamterando on Wed May 23, 2007 at 07:50:51 PM EST
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Re: Internal Clinton memo leaks, urges her to skip (none / 0)

That's what i thought too, but i don't think they(Clintons) ever thought about pulling out...

What i think the memmo meant was to downplay Iowa and instead of going all out to win it, they should put our resources in other states.


by JaeHood on Wed May 23, 2007 at 11:53:35 PM EST
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She ain't skipping Iowa. (3.00 / 2)

This is "expectations lowering" talk...pure and simple.  Get the "Hillary isn't going to do well in Iowa" story out before the press notices...it'll take the edge off the drop in the Iowa polling and the (not unlikely) possibility that she won't actually win Iowa.  Third place is much less of a big deal if you're predicted to finish 3rd.


by rashomon on Wed May 23, 2007 at 04:54:25 PM EST

Vilsack and now Ickes say she's going to... (3.00 / 1)

...win in Iowa. They don't know what to do. With Vilsack out of the race, they don't have a good excuse not to win in a Midwestern swing state, but they obviously have grave doubts that they can do so.


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by MeanBoneII on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:02:32 PM EST
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Re: Vilsack and now Ickes say she's going to... (none / 0)

Maybe so, but the polling in Iowa still shows her as being competitive (ahead in the last Research 2000 poll), so even if there are long-term fears about her ability to win, the future isn't bleak enough and she isn't short enough of resources for a pull-out to make sense.

If this memo is part of a strategy, it's nothing but an attempt to lower expectations slightly.


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by Englishlefty on Wed May 23, 2007 at 08:11:06 PM EST
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Interesting statement... (none / 0)

courtesy of Ben Smith at Politico...

A Clinton advisor, speaking on the condition of anonymity, shared a little more about the discussions last week about skipping Iowa.
"The decision was to use Vilsack and fight in Iowa, but be prepared to win elsewhere, since we are behind the groundwork curve in Iowa," the advisor said.

It doesn't seem too accidental a leak to me.  And what to make of the "groundwork" comment?


by rashomon on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:05:01 PM EST

More attempts to lower expectations... (none / 0)

...which will actually only reinforce concerns about her inability to ultimately win.

This is strategy built out of desperation.


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by MeanBoneII on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:11:54 PM EST
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Re: Interesting statement... (none / 0)

The groundwork probably refers to the massive amount of time Edwards spends in Iowa since he is betting his campaign on a win in that state.


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by robliberal on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:15:03 PM EST
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Clinton goes to Iowa more often than Edwards (3.00 / 1)

Hillary has made 18 trips to Iowa so far this year, Edwards 15, and she's coming again this weekend. If she can't set up "groundwork" in a YEAR, that doesn't speak well of her capabilities.


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by MeanBoneII on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:44:00 PM EST
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Re: Clinton goes to Iowa more often than Edwards (none / 0)

Edwards has been doing groundwork since around 2002 or 2003.
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by robliberal on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:48:18 PM EST
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Re: Interesting statement... (3.00 / 3)

backtacking 101, Edwards and Obama's people should both "suggest" that it's hard to believe Hillary could do well in a general election nationally if she can't compete in a democratic caucus in the first state which is also a "battleground" state.


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by nevadadem on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:43:27 PM EST
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Iowa Poll (3.00 / 1)

It's surprising Edwards isn't father out in front considering the amount of time and effort he has put in there.  With Clinton apparently having trouble, this seems like good news for Obama who is still relatively unknown compared to the other two.


by dougdilg on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:17:01 PM EST

she can't skip it now it's too late (3.00 / 2)

she should have skipped bith states to begi with when she announced, compalining they weren't diverse enough and it wasn't fair to biiger states that they had all this power. She skips it now it looks like it's because she realizes she can't win the state, which would beg the question why counldn't the "national frontrunner" compete in a general election swing state. Even establishment supporters form non-N eastern states would deset her because the agrguement that she's unelectable in the general would dominate the political world.


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by nevadadem on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:26:36 PM EST

Edwards "camps out" in Iowa (none / 0)

I'm really getting sick of this excuse.  It's not that Edwards himself has been in Iowa every damn day.  It's that he never dismantled the campaign organization that he had in 2004.  The advantage he's had is that he hasn't had to setup new campaign staff and offices throughout Iowa like the other candidates have.

That's the "groundwork" that the Clinton advisor was talking about, not that Edwards is spending massive amounts of time there.


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by minvis on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:50:38 PM EST

Re: Edwards "camps out" in Iowa (none / 0)

You're right..I've heard story that when Edwards lost in 04, he never shut down his offices and pulled out..He kept most of his offcies opened and kept all contacts with people that helped him the first time around....Edwards should win Iowa by a blow out.


by JaeHood on Wed May 23, 2007 at 11:59:15 PM EST
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Leak? No, she just hit the Peak (In Iowa) (none / 0)

I think this is interesting... After more comments arose there are definitely a lot of things to consider.  

1.  This obviously wasn't an accidental leak.  So the only reason I'm seeing they'd leak it is to low-ball expectations early.  

2.  The buyoff on the Vilsack endorsement obviously didn't pay off.  

3.  It is suprising some people mentioned Clinton has a lack of groundwork in Iowa even though she has been there a number of times and if she can't get groundwork in over a year's time for the primary, how could she if she wins the nomination and goes into the GE with less than a year?


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Wed May 23, 2007 at 05:56:31 PM EST

Re: Leak? No, she just hit the Peak (In Iowa) (none / 0)

I looked it up. Edwards has been laying groundwork in Iowa since 2001.
Edwards unofficially began his presidential campaign as early as 2001, when he began to seek speaking engagements in Iowa, the site of the nation's first party caucuses. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edward s

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by robliberal on Wed May 23, 2007 at 06:00:44 PM EST
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Re: Leak? No, she just hit the Peak (In Iowa) (none / 0)

Two things.  She was leading one of the polls this week, you think that would have bolstered more confidence before this "leak" occured.  In three of the four polls she was in close distance to first.  

I'm just a little confused as to how Iowa can be competitive in 2008 if she gives up on it over a guy who has less than half the money her campaign does, and fundraised 6 million less.  (I know money isn't everything, but it is a strong factor)

I just don't know how she'll compete there in 2008 if she doesn't work on the groundwork now.  She'll be over a year behind some of the Republican candidates (Depends on who wins the nod).  

Also, Kerry beat Edwards.  Edwards had a two year start by your standards... So...?  I dunno.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Wed May 23, 2007 at 06:52:57 PM EST
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If she is going to show democrats that (none / 0)

she can beat the "vast right wing conspiricy" it's probably not a good thing to be sending out signals that she can't compete in a democratic caucus in a major battleground state.


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by nevadadem on Wed May 23, 2007 at 07:05:56 PM EST

Re: Internal Clinton memo leaks, urges her to skip (3.00 / 1)

One interesting thing in the memo is the part about hundreds of thousands (if not in the low millions) of voters who will have already voted before Iowa actually votes. The early voters in 15 states will far exceed the number of people in the Iowa caucus.

The same considerations the Clinton campaign is having on this will also apply to every other candidate as well. Think about a scenario where early voters follow the current polls in those 15 states and vote Clinton, Obama, Edwards but the momentum shifts in IA because Edwards or Obama wins. We could have a situation where the actual votes in the larger states could still end up as Clinton, Obama, Edwards.


Over 15 states have no excuse early vote or vote by mail programs that allow voters to cast their ballots well before caucus day in Iowa. These states are: Florida, Arkansas, Arizona, California, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Utah, Colorado, Georgia, North Carolina, and Texas.


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by robliberal on Wed May 23, 2007 at 08:22:27 PM EST

Re: Internal Clinton memo leaks, urges her to skip (none / 0)

Will that be the case if Iowa moves it's date up?


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by jallen on Wed May 23, 2007 at 08:27:31 PM EST
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Re: Internal Clinton memo leaks, urges her to skip (3.00 / 1)

Yes it would still be the case because various state statutes allow early voting to start X number of days (depending on the state) before the primary. Every time Iowa would move it up the X number of days would automatically move if that state also moved its primary.

Someone may know of state by state figures they can post but in 2004 as many as 32% voted in some states weeks before election day.  


...in Montana, voters can cast their ballot early in person, at any satellite location or at the county elections offices. Thirty-two percent of the state's voters cast their ballots before Election Day in 2004; early voting would open on Jan. 5...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17734965/


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by robliberal on Wed May 23, 2007 at 08:34:18 PM EST
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Re: Internal Clinton memo leaks, urges her to skip (none / 0)

There isn't an indication that states other than Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan, and South Carolina, I think, are considering moving up their primaries even further, other than states considering moving up to February 5th, .  So... I don't see your point.  I don't think there will be something akin to an arms race.  Once IA and NH make it clear they're going first, I don't think the others will continue to move up before Feb. 5th.  To do so would only lose them delegates.


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by jallen on Wed May 23, 2007 at 08:39:21 PM EST
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Re: Internal Clinton memo leaks, urges her to skip (3.00 / 1)

What the memo (and the MSNBC article as well) are saying is that hundreds of thousands of voters will have already voted in those 15 states before Iowa actually votes. As much as 1/3 of the votes in those 15 states will have been cast before Iowa.
A candidate could have already lost in all 15 states before the first vote is even cast in Iowa especially in the larger states where a large percentage vote by early voting. The results in those states will not be announced before their primary date so we will have an interesting situation.
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by robliberal on Wed May 23, 2007 at 08:47:56 PM EST
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inevitabilty as a meme died today (3.00 / 2)

to even have a discussion that she couldn't compete in Iowa ends the Hillary is obviously ahead meme for good, added to the focus grounp finings that was talked about in the media along with her dismal general election numbers. Hillary people don't want to hear this but it's becoming obvious that Obama or Edwards would be such much better of a nominee both on issues and ability to actaully win a general election.


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by nevadadem on Wed May 23, 2007 at 09:03:41 PM EST
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Re: inevitabilty as a meme died today (3.00 / 1)

That meme died the day Obama beat Hillary's Q1 fundraising by $5 million.

I guess this was the last "death spasm."


by jforshaw on Wed May 23, 2007 at 09:22:13 PM EST
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