SEIU official: If election were today, we'd support Edwards

Cross-posted at Daily Kos

Marc Cooper blogged for The Nation last night about SEIU's New Leadership on Health Care 2008 Presidential Forum in Las Vegas: "Edwards Stands Out On Health Care Debate"

Seven of the Democratic presidential contenders spent all of Saturday morning talking about their health care policies at a union-organized forum at UNLV; and while they vowed to provide universal coverage if elected, only John Edwards presented a plan with any significant details.

Edwards was also the only candidate who said that, without doubt, taxes would have to be raised to pay for the $90-120 billion price tag on his plan for universal coverage. Anybody saying otherwise, he said, is likely trying to sell the voters the "Brooklyn Bridge." Senator Barack Obama didn't rule out raising taxes, saying he would do "whatever it takes" to get universal coverage by the end of his first term but wasn't specific. Edwards' plan, first unveiled earlier this year, calls for an expansion of both public and private health plans, forces employers to either provide health care or pay into a fund that does, mandates individuals to buy insurance and offers government subsidies for families with incomes of up to $80k who can't afford it.

Edwards has a very realistic shot at making universal health care a reality, because he is being very realistic up front, both about the cost of universal health care and about the implementation.

What he is advocating will force private insurance companies that are profit machines to compete against a lean, efficient government program -- Health Markets that include a public plan based on Medicare. The private plans will have to slash their greed or go out of business, and either way, the people benefit. And by keeping employers involved in coverage, that prevents the private plans from scooping up just the healthiest people; employers can't discriminate between their employees based upon health.

The best part is that Edwards is selling the American people on the idea that some things are worth higher taxes (especially on the wealthier people who can afford to pay them). When he gets elected, Edwards will have the political clout to make universal health care happen, and to pay for it with the right source of revenue -- because he had the courage to run on it.

That means we can expect this: "The American people have spoken," President Edwards said today as Congress debated the Health Care For Every American bill, which is expected to pass this week and be on its way to the president's desk, despite bitter opposition from the Republican minority.

Hillary Clinton also made a spirited presentation to the hundreds of audience members brought in by forum co-sponsor, the Service Employees International Union (SEIU), but she was more vague in how she would achieve universal coverage. She put her emphasis instead on ending the "discrimination" exercised by insurance companies when they exclude or disenroll policyholders. "Every health insurance company will have to insure everybody with no exclusions for pre-existing conditions," she said.

Vague, and fails to address the underlying problem: Greed. So insurers would have to cover everyone? They'll just charge more, and make sure their profit margins aren't affected. Clinton says she will have universal health care by the end of her second term. Sure. So it's obviously not a high priority, and if she doesn't get re-elected, she won't even try. Great.

Barack Obama, who has suffered from accusations that he deals too much in platitudes and not enough in concrete offerings, came to the forum surprisingly unarmed with details. He admitted that he has not yet finalized a plan but promises one will be forthcoming, Instead he listed a number of "principles" that would guide him toward covering all Americans. "The basic principles," he said, "are everybody is in it, there has to be more money for prevention, and some form of pooling of costs and risks. If we have another forum in a few months and my plan is still not on my website, I will be in trouble."

Vague, although I guess it's good to hear that universal health care does mean "everybody is in it." Prevention is good, but there's not a clear challenge to the status of insurance companies as, first and foremost, profitable parasites that drain money from our health care system. Creating state-run Health Markets, as Edwards proposes, issues that challenge clearly. Hopefully, when Obama gets around to hammering out some details, his plan will demonstrate that he not only understands the problem, but has the political courage to address it.

SEIU Secretary-Treasurer Anna Burger along with former Bill Clinton aide and current head of the Center for American Progress John Podesta met with the press after the forum to offer their evaluations. Both were excessively cautious and non-committal praising all of the candidates for now being more specific. When I asked Podesta to be specific about which new specifics he heard he answered only in vague terms. Another high-ranking West Coast SEIU official, speaking to me off the record, said: "If the election were held today, we'd be supporting Edwards. When he comes into town he asks what he can do for us. Hillary asks us what we can do for her."

In 2004, the SEIU was an early endorser of Howard Dean and by the end of the general campaign had put $65 million into pro-Democratic campaigns. "This time around I can tell you it's not going to be less than $65 million," Burger told me, referring to the '08 campaign. SEIU will not, however, endorse a Democratic candidate until this coming September.


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John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 03:52:32 PM EST

Re: SEIU official: If election were today, (3.00 / 2)

of course we have to trust the reporter on what he says - and I hope he's telling the truth.

As far as I know Hillary's details are as undefined as Obama's..

At least Obama says UHC in first term.. I'm surprised how wonderful Hillary's reviews are compared to Obama's ..  Particularly since hillary was the only one who wouldn't even try for UHC in a first term


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 03:54:41 PM EST

Yeah, when she says she'd do it by the end... (none / 0)

...of her second term, that elicits two thoughts: She obviously doesn't consider it a very high priority, and she's being (surprise) disingenuous, because how would a lame duck president be able to do something she didn't try to do when first elected?

I think she's actually trying to send a message, and not to us: Don't worry, there won't be universal health care in a Hillary Clinton administration.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 04:02:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I think the message is to (3.00 / 1)

these guys.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/3/25/1541 53/912


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 04:12:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Obama still seems short (3.00 / 3)

on specifics to me.  I'd like him to do some homework.  If he can do better than Edwards' very detail plan, and be honest about how we're going to pay for it, I'm ready to listen to him.

He's got to suck it up and come up with something. Ditto Richardson if he ever wants to be taken seriously.  

And I expect more than the same tired platitudes from Hillary that we've gotten from her since 1992, with nothing to show for it.  What'r we gonna do this time Hillary, what did we learn.  Gimme something, geez.  

Nothing until after 2012?  One Word: Unacceptable.


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by Mark Adams on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 04:16:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Obama still seems short (none / 0)

He will give specifics in the next couple of months and then we can compare Edwards plan with Obamas.  Ultimately, Edwards having a detailed plan THIS EARLY in the cycle is a rarity... In all honesty, that forum would have been better served ifit was held in June or July.  We know specifics are forthcoming... we will see which plan is better, until then obviously Edwards has the top plan.  


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 10:48:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary had the best reviews because (none / 0)

she was the most substantive. She described the parameters of a UHC system and the challenges, such as, a necessary requirement of electing at least 60 Democrats in the senate to override a repub filibuster. Republicans in the last round blocked the passage of UHC primarily because they are afraid that democrats would be given the most credit for passing UHC (even with Republican support)and would be manifested by voters rewarding democrats in subsequent elections in the same manner that medicare recipients are primarily pro-democrats. This is why without at least 60 democrats in the senate it would be nearly impossible to pass UHC in one bill but more likely in multiple phases as Hillary described it in her presentation (which I watched on the JustHillary.com web site).


by meliou2 on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 04:38:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Then by all means, force the GOP senators... (3.00 / 1)

...to vote against universal health care. Somehow I don't think you would need 60 Democrats to get the thing done, but if you did, forcing Republicans to vote against it would be a big step toward getting to 60 Democrats in the Senate, and then some.

Hillary is making excuses for not doing something she doesn't want to do. This might have something to do with that.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 04:43:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's reality that (none / 0)

if you can't get repubs to vote with democrats against a very unpopular war how much more can you get repubs to vote with democrats on Universal Healthcare? You under-estimate the republicans and impute negative motives to Hillary to the benefit of Edwards?


by meliou2 on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 05:05:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's reality that (3.00 / 1)

I think Clinton and Obama are being realistic on UHC. It will be an extremely uphill fight to ever get it passed even if we add a number of seats in 2008. Healthcare, insurance, drug companies, etc. are an industry with trillions of dollars at stake and they will throw unlimited money toward both parties in the Senate and use any tactic necessary when it comes time for a vote. As much as I would like to see it enacted today it will be a long process.


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by robliberal on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 08:29:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's reality that (none / 0)

Absolutely right. The medical industrial complex is also a huge employer which adds another complication.  All you have to do is look at the fight going on in NY where Spitzer wants to re-allocate state health funds to provide coverage for 300K uninsured children.  He is being pummeled daily by 1199/SEIU because it will upset their status quo.  

And whether or not you like Hillary Clinton, she knows more about the difficult politics of UHC than anyone running.  My biggest hope is that the lessons of 1993-94 have been learned so we can actually pass universal healthcare coverage this time.


by John Mills on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 11:35:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's reality that (none / 0)

Everyone already agrees we need to cover everyone and basically have universal health care. The consensus is there. What's not there is the consensus on how to get UHC. That's why you need a plan to rally around.


by adamterando on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 08:23:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: It's reality that (none / 0)

The same consensus existed in 1993-94.  The problem is the devil is in the details.  Any move towards UHC upsets the apple cart and creates new winners and losers in an almost $2 trillion part of the economy.  It is not just the campaign contribution, there are people who will lose their jobs as a result of UHC b/c it will undoubtedly change the way certain aspects of the health care system are paid.  These changes are probably good and needed but that is going to create opposition to it.  There is no way around that.

We need to go into this with our eyes wide open about the difficult task ahead.  The Edwards plan certainly seems credible but having a plan is only part of the beginning of the battle.  There is a reason that since 1948 every attempt to provide universal coverage has failed.  This will not be an easy lift.


by John Mills on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 09:54:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Let them vote against it... (3.00 / 1)

...and then beat them out of office with it.

You have to have the political will to do that. If Hillary's supporters on MyDD are any indication of hers, she has already given up and won't even attempt it. No surprise.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 02:50:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Let them vote against it... (none / 0)

It is not that easy we have a narrow margin in the Senate and will make some gains in 2008 but we are far from having a safe margin of votes.

Look at how the corporate interests have pushed tort reform. Their basic premise has been without tort reform the doctors "would go out of business" etc. That is what they did with the Harry & Louise ads when Hillary Clinton pushed for UHC before and used the propaganda that people would not be able to see their own doctors, etc. Corporate interests will be even more vicious this time around because they know any Democratic president will move toward UHC.  


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by robliberal on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 11:30:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

That's why we need a president who possesses... (3.00 / 1)

...the combination of 1) charisma to win over the American people -- much like persuading a jury to agree with you, 2) the political backbone to make it happen -- such as being up front about the costs as well as the benefits, and 3) the political skill to devise a strategy that backs the corporate interests into a corner -- like forcing them to compete with an efficient government plan.

We don't need a president who is afraid to challenge the corporate interests, or who is actually being funded by them.  


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 11:57:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: That's why we need a president who possesses.. (none / 0)

It will be a very tough sell no matter who is president. I have no doubts about that.

All of the viable candidates in both parties will have corporate backing so that will be a factor as well.


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by robliberal on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:27:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary had the best reviews because (3.00 / 1)

I"m thinking we could do it with 56 or 57 Democrats, which could be possible after 2008.  If we take the presidency, another 5-6 seats in the senate, and another 12-20 seats in the house, which is certainly possible, then the handful of moderate Republicans will likely feel a lot of pressure to go along with our mandate.

And Hillary may have been realistic about passing something, but she has hardly been substantive.  Edwards is clearly the most substantive on this issue, as he is the only one with an actual plan.  Hillary has a plan for covering kids, which is nice, but as long as she still talks about "access to affordable" health care, and doing something about it in her second term, she's behind on the issue.


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by jallen on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 07:06:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Depends on who's at the top of the ticket (none / 0)

We ain't taking 57 Senate seats with a triangulating, Kerryesque ("Knowing what I know today (Aug. 2004) I would still have voted for the war") candidate as our standard bearer (e.g., someone who even now refuses to admit voting for the war was wrong).

Only with someone aggressively pushing progressive frames, showing the American people why electing unapologetic Democrats is in their interest, will we expand our majority in the Senate.


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by Jim in Chicago on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 10:18:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Edwards most substantiative (3.00 / 1)

here's his fact sheet  -

http://johnedwards.com/about/issues/heal th-care/health-care-fact-sheet/

I've showed you mine, now let's see yours..


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 08:33:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards most substantiative (none / 0)

I'll defer for a few months... until then, Edwards is in the lead on Healthcare... I'd be curious to see what the Hillary supporters come up with.


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 10:50:53 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Hillary - two ways to look at it (none / 0)

The thing with Hillary is seems like there are two ways to look at it.

1) she learned a lot from her fight before and from that experience she will be able to put together a good plan to cover everyone that can get passed.

2) she learned a lot from her fight before and doesn't really want to go near a serious health care reform attempt because she's "gun-shy" because of how difficult it was and how it backfired before.

Based on her statements thus far regarding 2nd term and a gradualist approach, I think 2) is where she is at. She got burned on health care before; I don't think she wants to jump into that again. I don't think it will be a priority for her and I don't expect her to release a comprehensive plan for UHC. She's sees the issue as too risky and thinks too many will associate any new plan of hers to the failures of the past.


by okamichan13 on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:08:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Hillary - two ways to look at it (none / 0)

I still wonder if HRC hadn't been pushing the issue in 1993... Had Bill done it himself or gotten someone else with more public service, if this wouldn't have been able to be passed.  Getting past the senate would still be hard, but HRC brought out the worst in a LOT of people back then.


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:18:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Edwards support continues to grow. (3.00 / 4)

The endorsements will also grow, like the recent ones, Oklahoma's and Georgia's.


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by dk2 on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 04:28:08 PM EST

As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

if the election were held today, I'd be more than a little upset about my guy's lack of preparation, and would probably vote for Edwards instead. But, its approaching 8 months until the first caucus is held in Iowa, so I'm not hyperventilating just yet.

Personally I think that Edwards plan is a great plan, but this is that weird primary season where everyone has to have their own plan. Its unfortunate that this one plan has to be exclusive to one candidate, but I guess that's how it is.


by mihan on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 07:55:58 PM EST

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

Well one thing though at least, it adds to the depth of ideas out there. Even if Edwards doesn't win, parts of the plan can hopefully still be useful.

I think Obama did commit himself pretty strongly to a plan at the forum within a few months so that will be interesting to see. I'm sure the plans will be compared, hard to get around that.

But better to have a wealth of plans than a wealth of campaign promises. Whoever wins, health care in the US needs some serious changes.


by okamichan13 on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 08:45:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

But better to have a wealth of plans than a wealth of campaign promises.

Most definitely! Even John Edwards himself alluded to this idea regarding any promise not to raise taxes in order to pay for a universal healthcare program.  It might be in our nature as voters to vote for the person who promises the most, and that's definitely not realistic.

Obama does have a very tough act to follow here. If his plan isn't dramatically different from that of Edwards, he'll be accused of simply plagiarizing it. If its not as good or as thoroughly detailed, it will be used against him given that he took so much extra time to try and get it right before going public with it.

I agree though, I hope that at least portions of Edwards' plan can be used even if he's not elected. I'd go a step further and hope that Edwards would be allowed to be a part of the process of putting a plan into place.


by mihan on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 10:08:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (3.00 / 0)

Or Obama can join Edwards as Edwards's VP and then he won't have to worry about coming up with something better!


by adamterando on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 10:13:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

I'd hope Edwards would pick someone else, honestly. As much as I love Obama I wouldn't want him to be in the VP role...nor do I think anyone really would. The guy has the kind of magnetism that really should be at the top of the ticket, if anywhere. It'd be like watching the Beatles open for the Monkees.

I'm not saying that I think Edwards is to the Monkees as Obama is to the Beatles, but I'm just trying to illustrate a potential problem that would likely be brought up when choosing running mates.

But I think either Obama or Edwards really should pick someone that is disparate from themselves in terms of background. Edwards is really tight with Evan Bayh...also Clark and Richardson are really attractive options.


by mihan on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 10:22:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

to beat the Hillary machine (none / 0)

you need a media sensation.

Edwards/Obama would give the media the "unity" and diversity message that they'd need.

the media drives the election and while on paper there are many great VPs out there , the media doesn't care about them


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 08:04:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]

No doubt (none / 0)

it would be an effective and alluring combination...in whatever order. I remain adamant though that Clark should be the guy for whoever winds up taking down Hillary. That should help finally put to rest any notions that Republicans somehow dominate the national security debate.

But I have trouble typing all of this because its such a long time coming. 15 months until we'll probably know about running mates, and still yet about 9 months before we'll have an idea of who is our non-Hillary nominee. Lot of work ahead for all of us.


by mihan on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 10:22:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

I'd like to see both on a combined ticket... Obama is dynamic, but Edwards is no slouch in that department either... That was his appeal in 2004 when most of us were calling for him to be added to the Kerry ticket.  


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 10:54:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

I don't know, I suppose you are right, but I'm just not as excited anymore.

As much as I like Obama and Edwards, I can't help but lament that the timing isn't right for Brian Schweitzer. I'm all for Obama first and Edwards second, but for all of the talk I still have that feeling that what I really want isn't going to happen.


by mihan on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 11:27:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

I don't know, I suppose you are right, but I'm just not as excited anymore.

As much as I like Obama and Edwards, I can't help but lament that the timing isn't right for Brian Schweitzer. I'm all for Obama first and Edwards second, but for all of the talk I still have that feeling that what I really want isn't going to happen.


by mihan on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 11:28:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

I've been having problems with firefox lately...sometimes 'post' doesn't work the first time so I look like a moron with these double postings.


by mihan on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 11:29:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (3.00 / 1)

Either way the ticket ran, I hope it would be more of a team than Kerry/ Edwards was last time. I don't think Edwards was used very effectively and Edwards has implied quite a few times he didn't think the campaign was done very well. Not sure if he would or wouldnt, but I have the feeling Edwards would be disinclined to be the VP nominee this time.


by okamichan13 on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:22:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (3.00 / 1)

I'd agree on both statements... I don't think he'd run 2nd ticket this time and he was way underutilized in 2004


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by yitbos96bb on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 01:22:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

I think Edwards made a statement some weeks ago he would consider VP for 2008.


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by robliberal on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 02:31:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

You are correct.  He said he was willing to do it again.


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by jallen on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 03:12:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

that is why I wouldn't vote for him, for president.


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by heyAnita on Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 02:39:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: As an Obama guy, I don't blame them (none / 0)

I thought it was nice Obama said Edwards has a very credible plan.


by adamterando on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 08:46:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: You assume wrongly ... (none / 0)

... that every sinner is a church goer or there are no aetheists. You may be familiar with health care issues from the democratic point of view but you fail to remember that the conservative talk radio echo chambers and pundits have polluted the debate on healthcare and have protrayed the democratic approach as socialized medicine. There is therefore the need to educate/re-educate the public about approaches and arguments that rebut the characterizations of  conservatives and agnostics. Assuming that the public is quite versed with the issues of healthcare is what doomed UHC in the first place by giving conservatives the advantage of defining the democratic approach in a vacuum.


by meliou2 on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 08:32:24 PM EST

Edwards plan has choice (none / 0)

Edwards keeps private or public choice..

only kuccinich is proposing socialized medicine..


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by TarHeel on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 08:34:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Edwards plan has choice (3.00 / 1)

If a single-payer system makes the most sense, Edwards plan will gravitate toward it (i.e., everyone will pick that option). This could be the best result: if single-payer wins in the "marketplace" what will conservatives be able to do about it?

Like most of his ideas, Kucinich's proposal is a political non-starter. Of course, he doesn't care about that; he'd rather be "pure." (Pure what, I won't say.)


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by Jim in Chicago on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 10:22:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Exactly,,, (3.00 / 1)

Edwards plan doesn't start with the politically dead single payer but allows a mechanim to have it if americans vote with their feet.


McCain - a serial Opportunist, from marriage to policy positions
by TarHeel on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 08:02:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: SEIU official: If election were today, we'd su (3.00 / 0)

I live in illinois.  Sen. Obama sponsored a bill on coverage for everyone under 18 who's family did not have insurance.
That said, I would imagine he is using some of that for a bill but, he is also detailed and thoughtful in his legislation.  
He is not going to be pushed by pundits screaming 'now' and produce something he is not 100% behind, satisfied with or sloppy.  
When it is done to satisfaction he will come out with it.  
I would also point out that Mr. Edwards has more time to produce his proposals earlier than the others.  The other candidates do have other things to address immediately.  Please give that some concideration before dismissing.
by vwcat on Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 08:57:57 PM EST

Re: SEIU official: If election were today, we'd su (3.00 / 1)

The state component of the bill Obama introduced in Illinois is part of a federal program that was enacted under the Clinton administration in 1997.

The program for children under 18 was one of the successes of Hillary Clinton's efforts at UHC in the 1990's. It is called the SCHIP program (known in a lot of states as CHIPS) and was introduced by Sen. Orrin Hatch and R-Utah, and Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass and became law in 1997. Each individual state such as Illinois can choose if they want to participate in the program. Because of SCHIP tens of millions of children do have UHC in all 50 states.


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by robliberal on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:10:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]

SC endorsements and Nation health care artilce (3.00 / 3)

more endorsements coming in South Caroling - will probably be up on Edwards site later today:

"No other Democratic candidate has unveiled a list as comprehensive as the one the Edwards camp is set to release today."

http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/new s/politics/16973417.htm?source=rss&c hannel=thestate_politics

and a good artilce in the Nation (with a catchy title):
Edwards Stands Out On Health Care Debate
http://johnedwards.com/news/headlines/na tion20070324/


by okamichan13 on Mon Mar 26, 2007 at 12:48:39 PM EST


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