No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hillary Clinton

UPDATE: This endorsement raises the stakes to "All In" for Hillary in Iowa. I've mentioned before that the third-place finisher in Iowa will look an awful lot like the last-place finisher in Iowa. Some argue that with Hillary's money, she can afford a weak showing. This endorsement confirms that her campaign doesn't believe that, either. If she can't win in Iowa with Tom Vilsack's endorsement, on top of her money, her name and her media coverage advantages, then she can't win.

MSNBC says: BREAKING AP: Officials say ex-Iowa Gov. Vilsack will back Sen. Clinton in '08 race.

The timing on this is ... interesting (at least they waited almost a whole 24 hours since the Edwards news conference). The timing certainly makes it look like the Hillary Clinton campaign is very, very worried about the John Edwards campaign.

My feeling all along was that Hillary was hoping Vilsack could take Iowa off the table. When it became clear that he couldn't do that, I knew he would be endorsing her.

Don't expect much boost for her out of this. Vilsack's numbers in Iowa, such as they were, were out of a sense of loyalty to him. It's not transferrable.



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Well Edwards by all accounts is either LEADING or TIED in Iowa with HRC, so they should be worried... if she is going to be taken down it will either be by Obama, Edwards or the two working together in a brokered convention... which will lead to more whining about how it isn't fair (boy that statement from Bill pissed me off royally).

I hope DesmoinesDem will wade in here on this and let us know if you are correct on the ramifications of a Vilsack endorsement (and I am betting you are) or if this is something to worry about.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 11:36:09 AM EST

Hillary will not win (3.00 / 1)

a single state, including New York.

You heard it here first, on March 23rd and 1:13.

Peace.


by david mizner on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 01:14:27 PM EST
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Re: Hillary will not win (3.00 / 1)

I predict Britney Spears will be honored as Mother Of The Year.


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by robliberal on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 01:43:25 PM EST
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Re: No surprise: Vilsack endorses (none / 0)

Vilsack's endorsement is a big deal.  Of course, paint everything that happens in a negative light as far as Clinton is concerned to make it all fit is the constant theme, so why would I expect objective reasoning?  If it were possible, the Vilsack endorsement would be sold here as a "bad" thing for Clinton, a net loss.

As for polls:  Clinton polled ahead, exactly tied and slightly behind Edwards in the last three Iowa polls.  

Another thing:  Are you guys saying that Edwards' wife's cancer is going to be a political lift for Edwards?  That makes sense exactly in what way?  Is that an issue to make political hay out of?  It is a personal issue, I feel bad for the family, but to claim that Edwards' polls will be improving (and that the issue will have a lasting poll effect) from the dismal status they have been overall (just a little into double-digits in almost all states) is to suggest that cancer has become a positive campaign issue.    


by georgep on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 11:53:11 AM EST

The timing of this leak by Vilsack... (none / 0)

...makes it quite obvious that Hillary's campaign views EVERYTHING in a political light.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:03:07 PM EST
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Re: No surprise: Vilsack endorses (none / 0)

Clinton was 6 points behind in the last poll, tied in Second with Vilsack and Obama... we have not seen an Iowa trial heat poll since Mid Feb (which is starting to really get annoying).  She was tied in the Zogby and ahead in the ARG, which was the oldest of the 3.  


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:33:24 PM EST
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New Iowa Poll (none / 0)

ARG Iowa Poll

Clinton 34%
Edwards 33%
Obama 16%
Undecided 10%
Richardson 1%


by dblhelix on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 02:16:09 PM EST
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Great trend lines for Edwards (none / 0)

Most Iowa polls show Edwards leading. ARG has been the exception.

These are great trend lines for Edwards in ARG polls since Vilsack dropped out.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 02:55:40 PM EST
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Re: Great trend lines for Edwards (none / 0)

Obama is much weaker in Iowa than I expected. Clinton and Edwards may come out of Iowa closely bunched for 1st and 2nd and Clinton currently has a wide lead in NH. Obama would have to push hard to finish ahead of Edwards in NH.


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by robliberal on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 03:04:33 PM EST
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Re: No surprise: Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hillary (none / 0)

This doesn't jibe with Vilsack's rhetoric on the campaign trail. He called for Congress to cut off funding, then he goes and endorses arguably the candidate who is the least likely to do such a thing?

Hypocrite.


by PsiFighter37 on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 11:57:02 AM EST

Re: No surprise: Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hillary (none / 0)

Bill Clinton and Vilsack were DLC buddies during his administration.  Apparently, he is putting friendship before principle.


by olawakandi on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:18:09 PM EST
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Vilsack and the Clinton pals through the years. (none / 0)

Vilsack and Gore and Clinton were friends at the DLC during Clinton's administration. Clinton and Gore visited IA frequently during their administration. Also, IA was the one of the few states that switch from dem when Gore ran to republican when Kerry won. I think it is highly hypocritical because in his dropping out speech, he said that he wants out of Iraq now, and Clinton isn't proposing that right now. She says a phased withdrawal.


by olawakandi on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:11:29 PM EST

Re: No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hill (none / 0)

With Vilsack in Iowa and Shaheen in New Hampshire Clinton now has some of the strongest support from Democratic activsts with a successful track record in both states. Vilsack gave Kerry a boost in 2004 which helped him win the primary and Shaheen ran Kerry's campaign in New Hampshire.


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by robliberal on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:20:06 PM EST

Right, Hillary had better win Iowa now. (none / 0)

I don't think she will, but Vilsack's endorsement on top of all her establishment advantages will make a loss devastating.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:26:13 PM EST
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Re: Right, Hillary had better win Iowa now. (none / 0)

One has to wonder is Vilsack will change his endorsement if Gore enters the race later on.


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:34:15 PM EST
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Re: No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hill (none / 0)

But his boost was not as strong as his support as he was behind Clinton and Gore machine, that's why Edwards and Kerry failed to win IA in 2004. Plus, Vilsack polls weren't that strong in 2004 like it was in the late 90's to early 2000's to help much neither is it now, that's why he failed in his campaign. I think it will help among the activists, but not the anti-war activists.


by olawakandi on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:26:59 PM EST
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Re: No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hill (3.00 / 1)

I can't see HRC attracting more activists than Edwards or Obama for that matter.  Even with Vilsack's support.  

I wonder if Bill will say ITS NOT FAIR if she loses in Iowa?


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by yitbos96bb on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:35:41 PM EST
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Re: No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hill (none / 0)

Geez, will you cut it out with the constant "It's not fair" bash?  You don't see others bash Obama with "I wonder if he now thinks Vilsack is "cute" anymore after he failed to endorse him?"  


by georgep on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 12:54:36 AM EST
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Re: No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hill (none / 0)

Kerry won Iowa in 2004 with Edwards second. Kerry's campaign was on the ropes and Vilsack's wife endorsed him which gave him a big boost and he overcame Dean.


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by robliberal on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:36:59 PM EST
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Re: No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hill (none / 0)

He didn't win IA for the general election. Vilsack's polls were not where they were in 2000 when Gore won the state. He helped in the primary but not among independents and republican voters. Where Kerry lost in IA.


by olawakandi on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:42:57 PM EST
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Re: No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hill (none / 0)

Probably no one could have delivered IA in the general election. The Vilsack endorsement is important in the primaries because Vilsack has a large organization of supporters and was successful in helping Kerry win in 2004.


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by robliberal on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:51:25 PM EST
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Re: No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hill (none / 0)

But Gore did win IA when Vilsack's approvals were high in 2000.


by olawakandi on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 01:05:42 PM EST
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Re: No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hill (none / 0)

All I am saying is that eventhough Vilsack endorses a particular candidate doesn't necessarily translate a winner to the WH. That's why other states moved up their primaries because IA and NH didn't necessarily vote the best candidate last time. I thought Westly Clark would of been our saviour last time. He would of attracted those independent voters to the polls in the key swing states.


by olawakandi on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 01:13:49 PM EST
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Vilsack vs Culver (none / 0)

I am waiting to see who Chet Culver endorses, I hope  he doesn't follow in the footsteps of his predessor Vilsack, he might because they are again DLC buddies. I hope I am wrong. His endorsement matters the most, because he is the governor. Obama campaigned heavily for him when his polls were not where they were suppose to be.


by olawakandi on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:50:38 PM EST

The Edwards people backed Culver in the primary. (none / 0)

I expect Culver will not endorse.

His wife might, though.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:56:52 PM EST
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Iowa organization (none / 0)

I'm kind of disappointed by the endorsement, not at the timing since I'm sure its been planned for a while, but Vilsack seems to be going against a lot of what he has talked about. I don't think his endorsement will help Hillary that much, though you never know.

Interesting article here about dem staffing and organization in Iowa. Hillary seems to be behind in that area - a lot of ground to make up.

http://iowaprogress.com/2007/03/20/candi dates-take-varying-approaches-to-hiring- staff-in-iowa/


by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:52:17 PM EST

Re: No surprise: Tom Vilsack endorses DLC pal Hill (none / 0)

With the mega-states moving up thier primaries Iowa becomes more and more important.  This thing is going to begin on Jan. 29th and be locked by Feb. 6.

One week....


by aiko on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 12:58:57 PM EST

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Also, I think that Vilsack wants to hault the momentum of the Obama campaign. That's why I think that he is doing this, this early. He knows that Obama is giving Hillary a run for her money so, he wants to stall his effort and momentum and Obama has momentum in IA and NH.


by olawakandi on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 01:36:51 PM EST

I'm sure Hillary HQ would like to have waited... (none / 0)

...until later in the campaign for this endorsement. The fact that they felt they needed to do it now says a lot.


John Edwards 2008
by MeanBoneII on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 02:58:11 PM EST
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That's a good point but I think meanbones is on to something. See my post above with the link about organization. Hillary's team in Iowa needs a jumpstart and Vilsack might (or might not) help with that.

I guess we'll see how vocal/ active a supporter he'll be. If he's going for VP he'll be all over Iowa.


by okamichan13 on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 03:24:50 PM EST
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I am sorry, but could you please show where Obama has any "momentum" in Iowa and New Hampshire, as claimed?

The polls have not been that great for Obama in either state, and today's poll release showed only bad news for Obama in BOTH states, so this Obama momentum you are talking about in regards to Iowa and New Hampshire is based on what data exactly?    


by georgep on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 01:01:01 AM EST
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Great news for Hillary (none / 0)

As for finishing third in Iowa, I am not so sure of what it would amount to next year.  Especially for a candidate with deep pockets.  With the big states moving up the rules may be changing.


by dpANDREWS on Fri Mar 23, 2007 at 04:47:36 PM EST

Re: Great news for Hillary (none / 0)

At this point, the only candidate who would probably be devastated by finishing third in Iowa would be Edwards, given his poll numbers in virtually all other states so far.


by georgep on Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 01:03:18 AM EST
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